Samuel WHISSELL

Notes:

Register of St Andrews East (Presbyterian) 1818-1827 C-2905 l Archives of Canada
Samuel(Zachariah, Eve ...) born 23 July 1818, baptised on 23 Aug 1818

Registers of St Andrews East (Presbyterian) C-2905 l Archives of Canada
St-Andrew's Christ Church Anglican, Argenteuil co. Quebec. Societe Genealogique de l'Outaouais, MFM 2296-2297 BMS
Married by banns this thirteenth day of August eighteen hundred and forty Samuel Whissel of this parish, bachelor, and Adee Mennie of the same place, spinster, in presence of the undersigned witnesses by me Wm Abbott Rector.
Samuel Whissel his + mark
Adee Mennier her + mark

Pierre Mennie his + mark
Frances Mennie + his mark

Abjuration de Samuel Whissell, St-Andre-Avellin, Quebec:
Le dix aout mil huit cent cinquante six, nous soussigne cure, en vertu des pouvoirs qui nous ont ete accorde par sa grandeur Monseigneur Guigues, Eveque de Bytown, avons baptise, sous condition, Samuel Whissel age de 48 ans un mois un jour, cultivateur, residant en cette paroisse, epoux de Adee Migne, apres avoir recu sa profession de foi et l'avoir absous du peche. Etaient presents Edward Provost et Gabriel Cere.

Samuel married Adee MEUNIER on 13 Aug 1840 in St Andre d'Argenteuil(Church of England),,,QUEBEC,,. Adee (daughter of Jean-Baptiste MEUNIER and Marie-Angélique ROCBRUNE) was born on 14 May 1814 in Rigaud, Vaudreuil, Québec ; died on 26 Sep 1886 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

1. Angelique WHISSELL was born about 1841.
2. Olive WHISSELL was born on 2 Sep 1842 in Mirabel,,,QUEBEC,,St-Hermas.
3. Isaac WHISSELL was born on 22 Dec 1844 in St Andre d'Argenteuil,,,QUEBEC,,; died in 1907 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,; was buried on 20 Aug 1907 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,.
4. Samuel WHISSELL was born on 11 Jun 1845 in St Andre d'Argenteuil,,,QUEBEC,,; died before 1851.
5. Isabelle WHISSELL was born in Sep 1847 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,; died on 13 Aug 1861 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,; was buried on 15 Aug 1861 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,.

Samuel married Marie PAPINEAU on 19 Jun 1888 in St Andre Avellin,,,QUEBEC,,. Marie (daughter of Jean-Marie PAPINEAU and Marie-Charlotte GAGNER) was born in Feb 1822 in Rigaud (Ste-Madeleine),,,QUEBEC,,; died on 11 Apr 1911 in Garden,,Delta Co.,MICHIGAN,USA,. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

It is said that the Whetsels came from Alsace. Could this be Alsace Township in Pensylvania?

Check out for possible Whetsel, Wesel, etc
Vol 1 and Vol 2 of "Gravestones of Glengarry" by Alex W. Fraser, U.E.
Volume I published 1976 ISBN 0919303080
Volume II published 1978 ISBN 0919303250

George Wetzel listed in the 1790 Virginia Census p 64 Shenandoah co.
Abram Freeland listed in the 1790 Virginia Census p 78, Surry Co.

George Whezel listed in the 1790 Pennsylvania Census p 36 Berks Co.
There is also Lower Alsace township in this county, formerly Alsace co.
Other Wetzel found on p 36, 37, 179, 176
Also interesting is that three is Benjamin Freeland listed in Washington co. p 249.

Visit the US 1790 Census at http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/decennial/1790.htm

Whitehall, Washington co., New York state, formerly called Skenesboro

From: Francis T. Watters
Date: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:07 PM
To: QUEBEC-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [QUEBEC] Whissel family - originally from Alsace

The first Whisell who came to Canada was Zachary Whesel, born about 1810 in
New York state, s/o George Zachary Vesel. George Zachary Vesel emigrated
from Alsace to the US around 1780-1790. Whether he was a Hessian or not is
not stated in the book that I have (La fascinante épopée de
Saint-André-Avellin, by Jacques Lamarche, Editions Petite-Nation, 1996).
But I wouldn't be surprised if perhaps he could be George Vensell, or
Wentzel who is listed in John's book "Guide to help you find your Hessian
Soldier of the American Revolution", pg 86 although that Vensell may have
settled in PA and not NY. John might be able to provide more info on that.

Zachary Whesel settled in Alexandria, Ont. where he married Eva Fischer.
>From Alexandria he moved to St Andrews East, Que. He raised four boys (the
article doesn't mention any girls): Stephen (Etienne), Frederick, Samuel
and Isaac. Etienne's grandson moved to Papineauville, and the latter's son
to St André-Avellin.

Other link to Wentzel family from Nova Scotia "http://www.qcis.ns.ca/wentzell/guest.html"

Bapteme St Andre Avellin:
Le quatorze juin mil huit cent cinquante huit, nous cure soussigne, avons baptise Zacharie, ne le seize mai(mars?) mil sept cent nonante, du mariage legitime de George Whissel, cultivateur, et de Sophie Freeland, dans la cite de Whitehall (Etats Unis d'Amerique). Le Parain a ete Edouard Leduc ecuyer, maire de la municipalite de St-Andre-Avellin et la maraine Louise Seguin, qui ont signe avec nous.

G A Proulx

Ed Leduc
L Seguin

Certificat de Mariage 27 Juillet 1856, St-Andre-Avellin

Le vingt sept juillet mil huit cent cinquante six, nous cure soussigne, vu la despense de trois bans de
mariage accordes en vertu des pouvoirs que nous avons recu de sa Grandeur Mgr Jos. Eug. Bruno Guigues,
Eveque de Bytown, entre Zacharie Whissel dit Sacarai, fils majeur de feu George Whissel, cultivateur et de Sophie
Freeland de la paroisse de St Andre Avellin, d'une part et Marie Desloges, fille majeure de Joseph Desloges
cultivateur et de Marie Dupuis, aussi de cette paroisse d'autre part, aucun empechement ne s'etant apporte a ce
mariage, nous avons recu le mutuel consentement des deux epoux en presence de Eustache Turpin, pere, bedeau,
et de Gabriel Cere, pere, qui n'ont pu signer leurs noms.

Saint-André

Registres 1818-1882: microfilm M128-54 (ANQM)

Sepulture St-Andre Avellin:

Le dix neuf septembre mil huit cent soixante six, nous cure soussigne avons inhume dans le cimetiere de cette paroisse le corps de Zacharie Whissel cultivateur domicilie en cette paroisse, decede au meme lieu le dix sept du courant a l'age de quatre vingt ans et cinq mois. Etaient presents Georges Whissel son fils, Emery Villeneuve et Francois Bourgeois qui ont declare ne savoir signer.

From: "Elaine Brown"
Subject: [Q-R] Germain Poirier aka Pierre Germain Whessel b. c. 1820
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:37:22 -0500

I'm following up on a lead given to me by Gary Boivin about the spouse of my
great-grandaunt Alice Burns. She married Germain Poirier I figure sometime
around 1845 as their first child Amable Germain Poirier was baptised 31 Jan
1847 at St. Alphonsus, Chapeau, Pontiac Co. with sponsors Bernard Byrn and
Mary Cahill. There isn't a record of their marriage from 1846 onward.

The story goes that a lady named Marguerite Treganning has written a book in
French in which she says a family named Whessel came to Canada and the
parents died aboard ship. The youngest lad Pierre Germain Whessel was taken
in / adopted by a Poirier family west of Montreal. Since the Poiriers
already had a son named Pierre he used his middle name of Germain. He was
never again seen by his 2 much older brothers who were placed near
St-Andre-Avellin, Quebec (Petite Nation, Papineau, Co). There is apparently
a record that shows that he married an Irish girl with the last name of
Burns.

After a search on the Internet the only place I could find for the name
Whessel was at St-Andre-Avellin so possibly the older brothers kept their
names???

Can anyone help me further with this mystery please? Is Whessel a French
name? certainly Pierre and Germain are French names. My only other clue is a
photo of Amable which shows him to be about 6' 5" with long white hair and
beard.

Thanks for any help,

Need to visit the museum for http://www.museumsusa.org/museums/info/1155278 for ancestors of Zachariah Whissell


From: Ian Hendry
Date: March 16, 2010 at 12:50:49 PM EDT
To: Paul Antoine Lavoie
Cc: 'Robert Whissiel' , karel
Subject: Christopher Whiessiel

Dear Paul-Antoine,

Thank you very much for getting back to me. The mystery of our ancestor, Christopher Whiessiel, has been a part of family lore for as long as any of us can remember. I am very excited to hear that you too have heard the tale of the “7 brothers”. Since you have had no idea of our Christopher it makes the connection all the more intriguing. I have copied this email to my cousins, Dr. Robert Whissiel of Seattle, Washington, and Ms. Karel Horsley of Toronto. They have been researching the family name for decades and have been a true inspiration to me on this journey.



Although it is difficult to say exactly where Christopher was born, the many censuses that he shows up in have him of German or French heritage. His son listed his birthplace as New York in the United States Census of 1880. My grandmother always told me his name was Christopher Lucius Addison LeMab Fischer Whiessiel. He was from a family of United Empire Loyalists, he was the 7th son of a 7th son, and that all of his brothers came to Canada as lumbermen.



Based upon your record indicating Zacharie’s father was named George, I did some “surfing” on the internet and found an intriguing record. There is a Georg(e) Wissel listed in a immigration record showing him coming to North America as a Hessian soldier in the Brunswick regiment. That regiment was stationed exclusively in Quebec and upstate New York. In fact, they fought in the Battle of Skenesborough! The record shows that he came to an unknown port in 1776 and that he was born in 1751.



If George had stayed in North America, it would be very probable that he would have been in the Skenesborough area at the end of the war, or he could have come back there at its conclusion. There were several British forts in the area. However I can find no records of a George Wissel or Whissel (or Whiessel, Wizel, etc.) for that matter.



I also find the St. Andre-Avellin connection intriguing. There is a death record for a Z. Josephe Whissel in Russell Ontario (I’ll look it up and send it to you) - - I think she died in about 1882. She was born in St. Andre-Avellin. Could this be Zacharie’s daughter? Christopher’s family, and another family of Whissel’s that I believe to be Christopher’s brother (or nephew?) Mathew’s family all lived in Russell for a number of years. It is such a small village that I have to believe they would have been related in some way with a name like Whissel.



I look forward to further correspondence,



Sincerely,



Ian B. Hendry



______________________________



Ian B. Hendry

1887 Cowden Avenue

Memphis TN 38104

901-276-2340

901-299-3305 (cell)

assenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
about Georg Wissel
Name: Georg Wissel
Year: 1776
Age: 25
Estimated Birth
Year: abt 1751
Place: Port uncertain
Source
Publication
Code:
8560
Primary
Immigrant: Wissel, Georg
Annotation:
From the Staatsarchiv at Wolfenbuettel, Germany, where file 38B Alt.
Nr. 260 is a summary list of Brunswick mercenaries sent to America in
British service during the American Revolution. The detachment served
mainly in Canada and northern New York. Most o
Source
Bibliography:
SMITH, CLIFFORD NEAL. Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the
American Revolution. (German-American Genealogical Research
Monograph, 1.) Thomson, IL: Heritage House, 1973. [54p.]
Page: 47

According to the 1861 census, he stated he was born in Lake George, Warren Co. New York in 1790.

According to his baptism, he stated he was born in the city of Whitehall, New York.

Only 25 miles separate the2 cities. There is an obvious connection between the two. This is shortly after the American revolution. Was his father George a participant in the revolution?

Zacharie married Eve FISHER. Eve was born about 1790; died in 1822; was buried on 27 May 1822 in St Andre d'Argenteuil,,,QUEBEC,,. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

On the night of December 25, 1776, General George Washington and his troops crossed the Delaware River at Trenton, New Jersey, launching a surprise attack against the Hessians, German mercenaries hired to fight on behalf of the British Empire. The Germans, caught off-guard on the morning after Christmas celebrations, were defeated after only forty-five minutes. Hessian Colonel Johann Gottlieb Rall was mortally wounded.
Was George Wissell a Hessian, German mercenary soldier? Research the 1777 Battle of Red Bank in New Jersey USA, a battle fought to capture Fort Mercer on the left bank of the Delaware river, the Hessians suffered 377 casualties out of 2,000 ordered to lay siege. The Americans, integrated regiments of Black and white soldiers fighting for freedom, numbered 500 and lost only 14 soldiers.

George Whistle
Given Name(s):George
Surname:Whistle
District:Mecklenburg
Year:1790
Description:
Schedule of locations
Volume: 13
Page(s): 4, 8
Microfilm Reel Number:
C-14028
Reference: RG 1 L4
Item Number: 15876

George Whistle
Given Name(s): George
Surname: Whistle
District: Mecklenburg
Year: 1790
Description:
Schedule of locations
Volume: 12
Page(s): 2, 5
Microfilm Reel Number: C-14028
Reference: RG 1 L4
Item Number: 15875





dwhissell@yahoo.com is researching the following names:
25) Paquette, Lefebvre, Gauthier, Fournier, Whissel, Woilford (Welfret), Desjardins, Bédard, Bellisle, Desautels
Danielle Whissell SL997
2194, rue Joséphine Sudbury, ON P3A 2N2

A Selection Dictionary of Alcester Biographies - web site http://www.alcester.dial.pipex.com/localpast/occpap/46biog/biogind.htm#w
WHISSELL Family noted 1604 - 1874 many victuallers ('Swan','Angel' ‘Golden Cup’, ‘Reindeer’,‘New Inn' also masons, homers, farmers, bakers, needlemakers.

Extraits de "La Famille Whissell" par Gilles Roy

Cette famille, etablie a St-Andre-Avellin depuis sa fondation, s'etait d'abord fixee a St-Andre d'Argenteuil. Certains membres de cette famille sont aussi alles peupler le nord ontarien, de la son importance a la genealogie franco-ontarienne. Il existe une autre famille Whissell, celle de Barnabe, qui est etroitement liee a celle de Zacharie. Malheureusement, l'absence de registres d'etat-civil a Whitehall (ceux-ci ayant brule au siecle dernier) ne permet pas d'etablir la parante entre ces deux individus. D'apres la tradition familiale, le premier ancetre arrive aux Etats-Unis serait venu d'Alsace, region germanique de la France. Au recensement de 1851, Zacharie se dit lui-meme de souche allemande.

From: "Francis T. Watters"
Subject: [HESSIANS] Whissel family - originally from Alsace
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:07:42 -0500

There was some question the other day on the QUEBEC-L list about the origins
of the Whissel family who settled around St André Avellin, Qc. in the
mid-1800's, and some of whose descendants were in Sudbury in the early
1900's.

The first Whisell who came to Canada was Zachary Whesel, born about 1810 in
New York state, s/o George Zachary Vesel. George Zachary Vesel emigrated
from Alsace to the US around 1780-1790. Whether he was a Hessian or not is
not stated in the book that I have (La fascinante épopée de
Saint-André-Avellin, by Jacques Lamarche, Editions Petite-Nation, 1996).
But I wouldn't be surprised if perhaps he could be George Vensell, or
Wentzel who is listed in John's book "Guide to help you find your Hessian
Soldier of the American Revolution", pg 86 although that Vensell may have
settled in PA and not NY. John might be able to provide more info on that.

Zachary Whesel settled in Alexandria, Ont. where he married Eva Fischer.
>From Alexandria he moved to St Andrews East, Que. He raised four boys (the
article doesn't mention any girls): Stephen (Etienne), Frederick, Samuel
and Isaac. Etienne's grandson moved to Papineauville, and the latter's son
to St André-Avellin.
Others may know more about the migration of the other children's descendants
in other parts of Canada.

Frank

The Historical Society of Whitehall research library is open on Tuesday
mornings from 9 to noon, or by appointment.

Tips from genealogists on the web, email address ( CHAMPLAINLG-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com )

I have been looking at the Lower Canada land petition that I think you are referring too. It is a group petition under the name of the leader Jacob Marston first applied for in 1792. This group petition had about 40 names, one of the names is George Wifsell. They wanted to start a township named Portland, just north of Buckingham along the Ottawa River (Grand River). The original petition was rejected since the men on the list were not "known" to those in power. I think the petition was revised with just ten names, George Wifsell not being one of them, and later approved around 1808.

Something I found interesting about this record is that my Aunt had said that the Whissell’s started a homestead in Masham Que. The only Masham township I could find on a map showed Masham to be further north up the Ottawa River, but the petition drawn up by Jacob Marston in 1792 talks about a Masham to the south of Buckingham, which is the area of St. Andre Avellin.

If your ancestors were Roman Catholics, there are some repertoires available for the Whitehall area. Also, I've found some info about my ancestors in Fort Edward, NY, and Hudson Falls, NY.
Good luck, and I hope this helps.
André (Andy) Amyot in Maryland, USA
aamyot@mindspring.com

You may have seen an e-mail today which says that the Historical Society of Whitehall research library is open on Tuesday mornings from 9 to noon, or by appointment.
That message was sent out by Carol Senecal who has been very helpful to me when I was researching some of my relatives and ancestors in the Whitehall area. On a trip to Whitehall, she and her husband (Wayne) even invited my son and me to their home where she has all sorts of geneogical reference sources for that area, and helped us a lot.. Her e-mail address is camwrs@localnet.com
From the way she and her husband treated us, I feel they would be happy to help you.
Good luck and I hope this helps.
André (Andy) Amyot in Maryland, USA
Genealogists helping one another

If it's Whitehall that is your primary target, then the town clerk is
always a good place to go...

You'll find the name and phone number of the Town Clerk on this page:
http://www.whitehallnewyork.net/whitehallgovtcontacts.htm

Here's a page with info. on the historians and the Wash. Co. Archives,
which is a good place to go... In fact, there might be more information
there than down in Albany...

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywashin/historian.htm

Here's a page with some info. on Whitehall:

http://www.washingtoncounty.org/TOWNS/Whitehall/index.html

><< Do I need to pre register with any of the libraries or government
>departments???>>

As far as I know, no, you do not need to pre-register. However, it would be
wise to check the hours of availability for each of these places/people
ahead of time.

Have a wonderful trip, Paul-Antoine!

Best wishes,

Susan

The Washington County records office at Fort Edward is very
good. We were there last fall and it was a good experience. My
recollection is that they are only open on Wednesday mornings.
It would be best to call them to confirm this.

About your George Wessels x Sophia Freeland.

Here are some thoughts.
-- Have you searched for Joris Wessels? I tried that name in Ancestry.com but didn't find anyone of the appropriate age. My guess is that he'd been baptized "Joris."
-- From your dates, I'm assuming Sophia would have been born in the mid 1700's. Our database does show a Sophia b 4 May 1760 -- one possibility
-- You probably know that ladies back then w/ given name Sophia often were baptized as "Fitje." We also have a Feytje [Fitje] b 17 Aug 1752 -- another possibility

Name: Georg Wissel
Year: 1776
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1751
Place: Port uncertain
Source Publication Code: 8560
Primary Immigrant: Wissel, Georg
Annotation: From the Staatsarchiv at Wolfenbuettel, Germany, where file 38B Alt. Nr. 260 is a summary list of Brunswick mercenaries sent to America in British service during the American Revolution. The detachment served mainly in Canada and northern New York. Most o
Source Bibliography: SMITH, CLIFFORD NEAL. Brunswick Deserter-Immigrants of the American Revolution. (German-American Genealogical Research Monograph, 1.) Thomson, IL: Heritage House, 1973. [54p.]
Page: 47


George equivalent in Dutch is Joris or Jurgen

George married Sophie (Sophia, Fitje, Anna) FREELAND (Vreeland) on 4 Jun 1781 in Acquackanonk, Passaic, New Jersey, USA. Sophie (daughter of Johannes D Vreeland and Margrietie Diedricks BANTA) was born on 17 Apr 1755 in Passaic, New Jersey, USA; died on 9 May 1829. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

Sophia in Dutch is Fytje and Freeland is Vreeland. Anna
Vreeland young lady born in Wesel, now resident of Wesel.
Wesel small town beside Acquackanock, area now called Clifton, New Jersey.

Notes:

From: "Francis T. Watters"
Subject: [QUEBEC] Whissel family - originally from Alsace
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:07:42 -0500

There was some question the other day on the QUEBEC-L list about the origins
of the Whissel family who settled around St André Avellin, Qc. in the
mid-1800's, and some of whose descendants were in Sudbury in the early
1900's.

The first Whisell who came to Canada was Zachary Whesel, born about 1810 in
New York state, s/o George Zachary Vesel. George Zachary Vesel emigrated
from Alsace to the US around 1780-1790. Whether he was a Hessian or not is
not stated in the book that I have (La fascinante épopée de
Saint-André-Avellin, by Jacques Lamarche, Editions Petite-Nation, 1996).
But I wouldn't be surprised if perhaps he could be George Vensell, or
Wentzel who is listed in John's book "Guide to help you find your Hessian
Soldier of the American Revolution", pg 86 although that Vensell may have
settled in PA and not NY. John might be able to provide more info on that.

Zachary Whesel settled in Alexandria, Ont. where he married Eva Fischer.
>From Alexandria he moved to St Andrews East, Que. He raised four boys (the
article doesn't mention any girls): Stephen (Etienne), Frederick, Samuel
and Isaac. Etienne's grandson moved to Papineauville, and the latter's son
to St André-Avellin.
Others may know more about the migration of the other children's descendants
in other parts of Canada.

Frank

Johann married Dorothea Elisabeth Hegemans. Dorothea was born in 1730; died on 9 Feb 1796 in Hessich, Oldendorf, Hameln-Pyrmont, Niedersachsen, Germany. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Johannes married Margrietie Diedricks BANTA. Margrietie was born on 18 Nov 1682 in Hackensack, Bergen, New Jersey, USA; died on 30 Oct 1774 in Bergen County, New Jersey, USA. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]